Is Toyota the only brand with two, different full size SUVs?

"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott) 02/09/2019 at 22:28 • Filed to: None

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I was driving on the interstate today and I saw a Sequoia. That got me thinking, I think Toyota is the only brand that has two, distinctively different full size SUVs. The Sequoia:

And the LandCruiser:

They are totally different platforms (with the LC being it’s own, and the Sequoia based on the Tundra) but they do share the same engine.

I guess it even extends past full size SUVs with Toyota even. Since they have the 4Runner and Highlander which are both “Midsize” but totally different platforms (Highlander based on Camry, 4Runner based on LandCruiser Prado). Is there any other brand with as much segment overlap, with totally different platforms?

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/09/2019 at 22:40

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Ford Expedition and Excursion.

GM full-size unibody Acadia/Traverse, and truck-based Suburban, Yukon, and Escalade.

WilliamsSW > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 02/09/2019 at 22:45

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The Excursion has been dead for a long time, though.  I think you could say Ford once the new Explorer comes out.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 02/09/2019 at 22:46

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To be fair, neither of those are the same size. The Excursion is a HD chassis only, solid axles front and rear. The Expedition has 4-wheel independent, and has for a while.

And the Traverse at one point was closer to the size of the Tahoe, but it’s still smaller.

CB > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/09/2019 at 22:48

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I guess Chev must have some overlap with the Traxx, Blazer, Equinox, Traverse, Tahoe, and Suburban.

marshknute > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/09/2019 at 22:49

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What about Mercedes?

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/09/2019 at 22:49

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Land Cruiser is smaller than Sequoia, but both may classify as EPA full-size.

I didn’t think they meant literally identical dimensions.

fintail > marshknute 02/09/2019 at 22:51

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Bingo.  Beat me to it.

The Stig's Missourian Cousin > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/09/2019 at 22:51

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Yea, i’m thinking current vehicles. I thought about Ford, and the Expedition/Excursion would definitely fit . Also Buick and Chevy both say the Enclave/traverse is Midsize, so no comparison there to the Tahoe type offerings.

The Stig's Missourian Cousin > CB 02/09/2019 at 22:54

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Blazer is Midsize, Enclave is midsize, Equinox is small, Trax is compact. So the Blazer and Traverse are both “midsize” offerings, but they do ride on the same platform.

The Stig's Missourian Cousin > marshknute 02/09/2019 at 22:55

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That’s a great example. Definitely different there.

Manny05x > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/09/2019 at 22:55

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Makes me think are the highlander and 4runner similar size?

The Stig's Missourian Cousin > Manny05x 02/09/2019 at 22:56

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Yes. Highlander is actually longer than the 4Runner, same width, but shorter by a few inches.

Spanfeller is a twat > marshknute 02/09/2019 at 23:00

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No... the GLS is unibody.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/09/2019 at 23:07

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Is the Blazer a 3 row? The only reason people buy Travers is because “SUVs are cooler than Minivans” 

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 02/09/2019 at 23:10

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Excursion was waaay bigger than the Expedition. The current Expedition is probably about he same size as an Excursion was. But with that said the Excursion was in a full 3/4 chassis identical to an F-250  while the Excursion was still on the F-150 chassis, but this was back when the Explorer was on the Ranger Chassis.

Model bloat is real people.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Spanfeller is a twat 02/09/2019 at 23:11

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I think we’re only comparing size here. Not purpose or construction

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/09/2019 at 23:11

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Bigly and Biglier

Spanfeller is a twat > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 02/09/2019 at 23:28

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Oh, ok. It’s just that when people talk about full size SUVs they normally refer to body on frame vehicles.

Still, the GLS is based on the GLE, and the G wagon is really small so it’s kinda cheating....

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Spanfeller is a twat 02/09/2019 at 23:30

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That’s a good point the G wagon is kinda like an XJ it’s easy to think of them as bigger than they are 

Spanfeller is a twat > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 02/09/2019 at 23:47

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I saw one of the new ones a few days ago in a dealer, it's bigger, but really, strictly a five seater. The old one is very uncomfortable though.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/09/2019 at 23:56

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The 4Runner is the real Land Cruiser and the Land Cruiser is the Toyota Range Rover. If we could buy the stripper Cruiser I might change my mind.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/09/2019 at 23:57

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That Traverse seems huge to me in the parking garage I go to. 

Textured Soy Protein > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/10/2019 at 00:04

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The Tahoe is 204.0 inches long. The Traverse is 204.3 inches long.

Textured Soy Protein > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/10/2019 at 00:05

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The Traverse is 0.3 inches longer than the Tahoe .

HammerheadFistpunch > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/10/2019 at 00:15

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Toyota has always had a crazy full SUV lineup.  I always thought it was strange but its sure paid off for them lately.  

HammerheadFistpunch > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 02/10/2019 at 00:18

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Its kinda true...and its exactly why we wont get a stripper Land Cruiser.

Why should they offer a 60 grand Land Cruiser when you can buy a 38 grand 4runner? 

dogisbadob > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/10/2019 at 00:26

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The Tahoe and Suburban are both full-size. And the Traverse is also full-size.

Workhard > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 02/10/2019 at 01:07

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Suburban, Yukon and Escalade are the same exact platforms . Just different “brands”. LC and Seq are the same brand, different platforms. 

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/10/2019 at 01:09

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Id just like to point out that Toyota actually has three unique full size 4x4 platforms...you forgot the 75 Series (cab chassis, dual cab chassis, 2 door Troop carrier and four door wagon).

And Land Rover has the Range Rover and D5 on different platforms ATM and the forthcoming Defender will be a different platform again.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 02/10/2019 at 01:10

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They’re a lot bigger than an old Cherokee...

(I say Cherokee instead of XJ because that what's makes me think Jaguar, because Jag XJ>dumb jeep thing)

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Spanfeller is a twat 02/10/2019 at 01:19

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I’m going to have to argue that point. Body on frame does not have to be a requirement of an SUV any more than flight is a requirement for a bird. Construction styles change with time. If you’re going to require SUV’s to be body on frame, why not Corvettes too? Or require  Lambos to come with a pound of Coke in the glove box?

GLS has a longitudinal drivetrain with proper transfer case and differentials. It’s available with a two speed transfer case and steel skid plates.

Spanfeller is a twat > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 02/10/2019 at 01:21

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Body o n frame is what my mind goes to directly, but I agree that construction styles change over time.

MultiplaOrgasms > marshknute 02/10/2019 at 03:45

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Wrong. The GLS is the only full size SUV MB sells. The G sits somewhere between the GLC and GLE in terms of size.

MultiplaOrgasms > Spanfeller is a twat 02/10/2019 at 03:48

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BOF =/= Full Size

BiGnEmo4Rm760 > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/10/2019 at 05:00

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The Tahoe, the suburban, the traverse,  that's 3 all of which have 3rd row seating

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Textured Soy Protein 02/10/2019 at 08:25

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Huh. The Tahoe is still larger in all of the other exterior metrics at least. 

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 02/10/2019 at 08:33

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I know they aren’t the same size , I just think of both of them as bigger than their a size. I think of them as large, and gargantuan when in reality the old Cherokee is tiny it’s subcompact by today’s standard , and the last G Wagon was medium like maybe as big as a Ford Edge.

Grindintosecond > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 02/10/2019 at 09:29

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Import an ex UN model. Done. Although n/a diesel might go nowhere slowly.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/10/2019 at 11:22

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Ford has the Flex, Explorer and Expedition.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > HammerheadFistpunch 02/10/2019 at 13:14

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Oh I see their logic but everything was shifted up after we had the FJ60. Th ere was the first g en 4Runner about that time too I guess but that was more like a pickup with a removable top and rear seat.  I t’s too bad we don’t get the stuff thr Aussies get thr FJ70 style as a crew pickup or something but it wouldnt meet safety I guess. Oz must have different rules to keep those on sale. The outback needs that shit too, the little utes hang in there but where I was travelling they were pretty beat up.

The Stig's Missourian Cousin > BiGnEmo4Rm760 02/10/2019 at 15:33

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Traverse is not full size. Tahoe/Suburban are same platform.

The Stig's Missourian Cousin > dogisbadob 02/10/2019 at 15:34

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Tahoe and Suburban are same exact platform. Traverse is midsize according to Chevy’s own website

The Stig's Missourian Cousin > Textured Soy Protein 02/10/2019 at 15:34

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I’m just going off of what Chevy actually says it is. 

The Stig's Missourian Cousin > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 02/10/2019 at 15:37

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I’m thinking the US models specifically since we don’t get the 75 series platform over here. But yes, they have better 4x4 offerings not in the US since you also have the Hilux

The Stig's Missourian Cousin > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 02/10/2019 at 15:38

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I totally forgot the Flex is classified as a full size. I guess i forget since it’s a wagon vs an “SUV”

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > The Stig's Missourian Cousin 02/10/2019 at 17:51

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All SUVs are arguably wagons.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Workhard 02/10/2019 at 18:09

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I know that, and I said that.

Traverse and Suburban are the same brand, both full- size 3-row vehicles , on  different platforms.

Accadia and Yukon are the same brand, likewise.

And there is still enough market demand left over for Escalade, and smaller CUVS across the board, from GM alone... let alone other brands.